Void.

Void is a threat now to all of DF, not just clans. At this point, they could walk all over DF.

Blaqk sees this, and knows that it should be stopped. So he's creating what he's calling an "Empire". He wants to build an empire of clans, more powerful than anything DF has ever seen. And he wants us to be the first to join it.

The point of this Empire will be to take down Void, and to stop their dishonest acts.

DF has already tried doing something similar to that, but Blaqk promises it will be more than a... Alliance. It would have the same kind of bond FF has with BD. He stated it as, "i want Umbrella and Fenrir's Fangs to be brothers and sisters". More than an Alliance, less than a Merge. He called it a "fusion". "In the end, it will be something totally different. All clans will be a part of a greater power, but autonomous in its own right."

Basically, we're all still our same, seperate clans, but also part of a huge, giant clan as well. In theory.

I asked about BD. Most, if not all, of their members are aligned with Void. And Fenrir Fangs is, of course, underneath BD. But all BD members are loyal to VoraX, not Void. VoraX is with Blaqk on this.

One catch though.

Jarki: Basically, we're all still our same, seperate clans, but also like a part of a huge, giant clan as well?
blaqksheep: yes
blaqksheep: equivalent to the FF/BD relationship
blaqksheep: we all swear allegiance to one banner
Jarki: Won't BD...I dunno...oppose this?
blaqksheep: not at all
blaqksheep: after all
blaqksheep: there has to be a banner to unite under
blaqksheep: and what better banner?

Jarki: No thanks.
blaqksheep: haha
blaqksheep: i figured that would be the killing statement
Jarki: I'm not doing anything for BD, or VOID.
Jarki: Not uniting under either banner.
blaqksheep: Void is a threat now
blaqksheep: i have spies littered in its ranks


But after a while of talking, it makes the most sense.

Who has the most reputation? BD.
Who's the most intimidating, even moreso than Void? BD.
Who's one of the most powerful clans, and most influential clans in DF? BD.

While I'd hate to unite under their banner...

Well, it's not only my decision. Nor is it just mine, Konny's, and Niccy's. This is a decision all of Umbrella has to make.

Feel free to post any thoughts, responses, and feelings on the subject. I'm not including a poll, because I prefer to hear your thoughts on this directly.

blaqksheep wrote:

i have spies littered in its ranks

And this is where I draw a line.

What do you mean by that? You don't support him having spies among them? They've gathered quite some interesting facts about Euphoria and Uber, which I've already told you about.

They're corrupting Void even more than they were before.

This is where I reveal that I'm a recent VOID recruit who's finding out that a lot of the rumors about them being assholes aren't exactly true... and who has lost a lot of friends as a RESULT of him being in VOID, and that he almost lost the woman he loves because of the stupid shit and will be leaving VOID as soon as he can.

Politics, gotta fucking love them.

As for uniting with Blaqk? That's up to you guys, I have my reasons for never trusting Blaqk, it's personal and nobodies business.

Uniting under BD? Oh... don't worry. I'm sure there's plenty of that latin phrase of VoraX's to go 'round.

That's where you're wrong about them being assholes, Ryan.

Yes, they laugh and joke and are nice to each other...within the clan.

But outside of the clan? They are elitist assholes who think they are better than everyone else. The way they treat the members of DF are the reason why they have gotten their reputation. And the few good members such as Blaqk, Gregg, Major? They're not even truly aligned to Void.

I'm guessing you think we shouldn't, then? Because you do have a say in this as well.

I kinda wanted to be in Void when i reach Lvl 40, but that was a lotsa before i saw them "buying" clans, i swear for god im not a spy by the way.

For me, i say no.

I really don't have a say, I'm saying they were nothing but polite and respectful to me.

Every last member of VOID has been nice to me, don't know why but they have. Thats why I joined, because I believed their reputation to be false.

Despite any predispositions against the Black Dragons, if UC can use them in a manner that ultimately helps everyone besides the antagonizing faction, then it would be wholly unwise to decide against rallying under their banner.

At least as long as it remains beneficial to UC.

i think there bad, they seem like a cult to me, but then what can you do its a game.
if we fight them, they don't stay dead, witch is the whole point of a fight to kill the person who doesn't think the same way you do. and we cant do that.

Z 1 wrote:

i think there bad, they seem like a cult to me, but then what can you do its a game.
if we fight them, they don't stay dead, witch is the whole point of a fight to kill the person who doesn't think the same way you do. and we cant do that.

Which is why I laugh and think of derogatory comments whenever I see someone use the phrase "Clan War."

Mostly, they force the losing clan to disband, pay a fine, or something. Send over members, perhaps.

Is it mod enforced, or can the losing clan simply decide, "Lol, we don't care, we're not listening to you anyway."

If it IS mod enforced, then the idea of clan wars doesn't seem quite as pointless.

Not officially mod enforced.

Officially being the key word.

and what makes them do that they don't need to accept any changeles, they can just ignore us and continue on there merry way.
if there as big as you say, it will be us throwing stones at a giant (plz no D. VS. G)

Not if what is expected happens.

There's already BD and FF. If we join, that's three. AA will come along nicely. AD might be a problem, but will probably over time join in as well. BD is involved, so Carnal Sin will side with BD.

Those clans include pretty much all powerful, influential members, except for a few.

If Void ignores it, which they won't, then...well, reputation is everything in DF.

Except for the fact that they DO in fact posess more firepower than any of those clans combined... they've got both inf gaus and have some very powerful members.

Not to mention that they still have me hanging about, despite me putting myself as a "non-active duty" member.

You mentioned that you\'d quit, and also that you\'d side with Umbrella.

Two infinite GAU\'s that don\'t regenerate health and Armour.

They\'ll go down eventually.

And the two with the Infinite GAUs are Uber and...? I think it was Major, but I could be mistaken.

SC_LA is quite the fighter. As are Abbie, MI5, Blaqk, Ximpulse, VoraX, Sgt., etc.

Two Infinite GAU\'s couldn\'t stand the strength of BD and FF, though could do quite some damage. They wouldn\'t have a chance with Carnal Sin, AD, AA, and Umbrella as well.

this is worse than lunch tables at my school.

what threat does void pose, do they control any thing, do they buy weapons and not sell them to break the market.

do they have the ability to take over df

if its relay a problem buy pwn out. pay him real money to shut them down

Big one, they can, and they probably can.

I edited my post.

And, as I said in Umbrella, Oh sheehat! I completely forgot about Shoe!

Don't neglect the fact that I can take on Rez, Major, Abbie (also in VOID), and Sgt.

In a 1v1? I can take most of them, might be close with Rez's new rifle but the others? No contest to be honest.

Abbie and Sgt. are with Blaqk and the rest of BD and FF. All they really have is Major, Uber, Euphoria.

All of which I can take.

At the same time?

So you see my point exactly.

Why be afraid to go against them at all, if it's a guaranteed victory?