Is There Good In Humanity

Not the place for it Sun, really just ban him for trolling, hes arguing with admin and mod and hes just being a jackass just get it over with already.

Not the place for that ether.

Might not have been the place, but it CERTAINLY was the time my friend.

Edit : I think your title is Communist Guard Z1

Yes it says communist guard, guard

Alright, that's it.

I will give you all ONE warning.

BEHAVE.

If you can't handle the debate without getting angry and insulting people, simply stay away from it.

I don't want insults flying around.

*manhugs*

How about if we insult people then compliment them?

I believe you can insult people, only if it's very very clear it's a joke, and the other person is not actually insulted, you know, like we used to be able to do before Dai fucked it all up. XD

And did I get a warning? Blasphemous!

Jarki wrote:

I believe you can insult people, only if it's very very clear it's a joke, and the other person is not actually insulted, you know, like we used to be able to do before Dai fucked it all up. XD

And did I get a warning? Blasphemous!

Yes, and no. No warnings for Jarki

SettingSun wrote:

I believe Syn has deluded himself completely into thinking that he's a good person.

Just because you're against the death penalty doesn't mean you are a good person. Most people on Death Row are against the death penalty and well... most of them aren't very good people at all now are they Syn?

Want my opinion? Too fucking bad. I'm giving it anyways.

You sir, are an asshole. Pengy has been nothing but nice to you in the entire time I've been around and you've been nothing but a jerk towards him. Try not doing things to make people feel bad, doesn't that make you a good person?

Sorry if this makes you question your entire life perspective, but you really need to stop going around like you're some kind of great human being. You're not. You're no different nor better than any of us.

Also, bite me.

I don't want to be a good person. Did you not see my previous post? Jesus is the only perfect human, and it would be incredibly vain of me to even TRY to be Jesus. I never claimed I was a good person, I claimed I don't kill people. Stop just posting random things that don't make sense. And stop seeing words that I never wrote.

Z 1 wrote:

Not the place for it Sun, really just ban him for trolling, hes arguing with admin and mod and hes just being a jackass just get it over with already.

This is the debate section. What else would we do here other than argue with people? It's the enitre purpose of the debate section.

Argue over a subject, not about each other.

I believe Wesker said to cut it out, as did I.

You claim to be better than us because of your, "No kill" idea. Lrnnot2beanasshat.

I'm done with the debate section.

SettingSun wrote:

You claim to be better than us because of your, "No kill" idea. Lrnnot2beanasshat.

I'm sorry you think that, but please don't insult me personally in a debate section.

HERE HAVE A CAN OF Cyanide and Happiness

I feel like putting in my two cents..

There is no good or evil in the world.. Only what we PERCEIVE as good and evil. Along the great lines of time the world has existed and homo sapiens have run supreme they have made rules and ideas of what is good or not. One main supporter of good and evil is the bible. Any person with a sense of logic can read the ten commandments and agree that they are good rules to abide by.

The cause of the belief of good and evil can mostly be pinpointed to religion because to have a god you have ideas of what that god likes or does not like (which if your a leader just happen to be what you think should and shouldn't be.. ironic.. right?); in effect making good and bad. These people agreed that they were good tolerable ideas to fallow so that is what they told everyone should do (thank you prophets! <3). The ideas got in the heads of everybody so they obeyed them (who wants to go against what a enlightened man of god says..? god might get mad..) and taught these ideas to their children who also obeyed them if punished for not. That is how atheists (the godless) would also have these ideas of good and bad because they were raised in a non religious way that these rules should be fallowed.

To my knowledge it has not been tested but a good way to prove this is to raise a child up in a controlled environment were he is completely oblivious to good and bad giving him only the definition of the two. After the child has preformed an action which can be labeled "good" or "bad" you would then ask the child if what they did was good or bad. It is quite possible the child will assume good works out for everyone including himself so if he decides to kill a person who logically bothers him he would probably say it was "good" as he is no longer bothered. On another hand if somebody was to ask his help to do something and feels it would be annoying (like cut the yard) he may think of that action as bad because it bothersome to him. (remember the person he is helping is a control and cannot smile or show any sense of happiness.)

There is also what would happen if this person was put into our judgmental world were we decide what is good or bad. The child would be a "freak" and probably be put in a mental ward in a few days. Simply because he does not fit in what people call "Normal" but that is a different argument entirely.

The point of this folks is to show you that your mommy slapped your hand when you did something bad and the effect of an event was planted in your brain giving you the idea "if i do that again I'm getting slapped so I better not". This realization is planted in your brain and remains with you the rest of your life giving you your own idea of what good and bad is. (the same being for your mother who taught you and her mother who taught her; so on so forth)

I guess what I'm trying to say is there is no good or bad in the world thus there is no good in humanity. Sadly we all have to keep fallowing the rules the world thinks we should because they have more guns and power than us. America, fuck yeah!

I just want you to clarify one thing, did you say the ten commandments were goof or bad.

And also Havoc, you experiment could turn out to produce the exact opposite findings.

I said 10 commandments were a good thing to abide by if you believe in right and wrong. I'm about to have to rant about God now.. *has been reading the other posts*

If you do have that debate, make sure to make some rules, like you cant just say over and over there is a god the end.

God

All of you are yelling about something but overlooking something...

The bible was written by people who were either "enlightened" by God or living in the time period the event happened they wrote about.

You can't say God killed people because they went against his will because it says so in the bible. That is ANOTHER PERSONS BELIEF OF WHAT GOD DID. It is very VERY possible that the person who was "enlightened by God" to write what he wrote in the bible was ACTUALLY "enlightened" by Satan.. OMG WTF!! you might say.. Its completely true. Which is why I believe in a God but I will have nothing to do with a book written by other people.

But if you want to argue about the bible here is some facts.

Miracles- God did not only intervene in Jesus' life. Many other miracles occurred in the bible (people casting out demons.. even the 12 disciples did their share of miracles in their time). This fact being so means that Jesus could have very well not been God's son but actually one of the most honorable followers of God to date who was gifted by God to spread the knowledge of him. (Even though I don't really believe in miracles this should help some of your argument..)

God Killing- First of all before I go into this.. I am a Deist not a Christian which if you do not know what that is look it up. I believe God does not intervene in the world but simply created it to be so. The Universe if far to immense for the world to travel so it couldn't have just been made for earth to enjoy (How can you enjoy something you cannot witness the beauty of. Thats like saying "I got you this really cool gift for your birthday! but its in china.."). Now this being so due to ever changing world it is quite possible a flood occurred wiping out the universe was a natural disaster. Without the Bible saying it wiped out the earth it is quite possible even to say it was a flood occurring in one part of the world and the people there just believing it to be a world flood. Some would say the flood was an attempt by God to wipe out sin from the earth but when it boils down to it you really don't think God would "attempt" a massacre in the "hope" it would stop sin when he could just destroy Lucifer and be done with the whole thing... stupid stupid stupid.. As for all the other people being killed by God for being sinners goes back to God not interfering on earth and it just being a coincidence the person died and the person jotting it down in their book of the bible thinking God told them he did it.

God in general- There are many different forms of God in the universe but admit it.. we all are focusing on the Christian god in our argument.. wtf.. There are so many different forms of God it isn't even funny.. Go out of your way to do some research and realize.. you say God killed all these people but that is what the people believing in christianity say.. The flood didn't occur in other religions that I know of.. (Please prove me wrong.. because I don't know and would like to).

A God can most likely be defined as a creator of something.. And everything must be created instead of just coming to be. This is the two forms of religion for me.

1. There is a creator of a creator of a creator of a creator creating things.. (never-ending creation) (Easily pointed out by the fact things are being created by things every day.. the next thing to be created is robots and we will be the creator.. who knows the future past then..? Robots may be so smart one day as to create their own creation.) In this form we are all creators in sense and all our own form of a god but also happen to be created by what we believe as God which created us so we praise it.. but in this god had to be created by something also.. making there something higher than God. pretty confusing.. still working on it..

2. Through a series of events the creator was formed (possibly creating himself (which is very hard to wrap your head around.. but supernova's create planets so possibly God is a star) by being the only thing that was as is and forming into what is to be.). In this form I think of it as chemistry is God.. Since a star is heat and chemicals it is possible that just the right about of chemistry got together and made a star. Being the only thing in the world it pretty much acted as the fat kid on the block and ate every chemical about causing a supernova (explosion of a star). Scientist believe that a supernova creates more stars and planets when they occur (at least that is what I was told). This star (God) exploded causing more stars which exploded which exploded which exploded until it cam about to were we are. I have no idea how long this series of events would take in between so I see it as we are just a phase in the never ending cycle and people aren't to far from the truth when they believe that the earth will end in a rapture. "Out with the old in with the new" right?

These are the two theories I have come up with in my life. I found it inspiring that other people actually think like me too.

Deism - is a religious and philosophical belief that a supreme God created the universe, and that this and other religious truth can be determined using reason and observation of the natural world alone, without the need for faith.

These are just the two ideas I've come up with. If you would like to kill them dead and stop me in my tracks I've got no problem with it. I enjoy being pointed out wrong about as much as I enjoy being proven right.

Phoebe wrote:

I guess it really is all in the eye of the beholder, and what looks good to that eye.

Havoc said what I said in an extremely elongated form... Thank you Havoc.

But that's a severe problem that people have with God. They create his principles for him, to go along with their own life. That's what's wrong with Godianity these days. A stoner say's he believes in God, but smokes weed, so he say's "God created this weed I'm smoking, man."

People make alot of assumptions about God, including preachers and people such as them. There's only a select few churches that actually follow the bible instead of making up their own opinions of God. Sure, I don't appreciate God killing everyone he doesn't like, but at least I acknowledge the fact that he does, instead of blindly screaming "GOD DOESN'T KILL ANYONE. I LOVES HIM SO MUCH, NOW GIVE ME YOUR MONEY!!!" Like most preachers.

In any case, nearly every Godian is guilty of creating an image of God to suit their needs, including me. The only thing you can do is find a good church that has preachers preaching the bible, not their personal creations.

EDIT: Oh great, posted five minutes after Havoc. Instead of making a double post, I'll just write what I think in this edit. First of all: the Bible was written by God. He just used humans to jot his words down, after which all the books were compiled into one book, called the Bible. Perhaps Satan used humans to write one or two of the books in there (Proverbs is pretty stupid and badly written...) but it's mostly all God's words.

Havoc wrote:

A God can most likely be defined as a creator of something.. And everything must be created instead of just coming to be.

Hooray! A smart person!

Havoc in many other religions there are great floods that all go with the time line of the great flood in the first testament. And its not the God of Christians, even in catholic churches God refereed to as the God of Abraham, or God of the Jews.

And just a note any one who believes in God, the one from the Torre bible and Koran, do they believe that all 3 are the same, also will mod move this to new debate.

That is the only similarity in the two however.. You stick with the Bible were as I do not believe in a book written by mankind. I seek out knowledge through what I know and come to my own conclusions and accept them. I'm no better than the prophet who comes up with his rules of a religion and I never will be. I can't prove the Bible isn't true but in the same way I can't prove it to be true.. So I would rather go on my own sense of knowledge than others if you understand what I mean.

Also I disagree that you should find a good church that preaches the bible. I would much rather go to a church that preaches their opinion on God than to state past opinions you can't ask questions past what is written because everyone is to busy being dead to answer them..

Havoc wrote:

That is the only similarity in the two however.. You stick with the Bible were as I do not believe in a book written by mankind. I seek out knowledge through what I know and come to my own conclusions and accept them.

A smart religion. The only reason people read the Bible is to get closer to God. Believing is what's important. I myself don't believe those people who say "God spoke to me in my dreams. This is what he said..." and I dismiss it as a lie. Why believe the people who connected with God and wrote the Bible and not the people who connect with God nowadays and tell me about it, you ask? I suppose it's a good question, I guess you can say I can FEEL the power of God's words in the Bible. I know the Bible is Truth.

If you think the Bible is a lie, there's no problem with that. I'm just glad to see someone here who isn't an atheist and/or doesn't believe everything was created by nothing colliding with nothing.

I awm not awn afwiest, *Said in a with child like lisp*

What I hate about Athiests is they say that the Big Bang Theory is what created the universe, that it's already been proven. It's called a theory for a reason. There is no proof in any form that the universe was created in any way. It could have always been. Maybe time stretches in both directions, to the future and the past, therefore there is no beginning like there is no end.

But debating about religion or rather anything about opinion is nearly pointless. It's near impossible to convince someone that their opinion is wrong, because they wholeheartedly believe they are right. Trying to sound more knowledgable or saying that someone else is stupid for their opinion (unless it's something along the lines of, killing is wrong except when I do it, I punched that kid in the face because he was ugly, etc) is stupid in and of itself. So saying that since the Bible was made from God/Jesus' people makes it a lie, or a very high possibility is really a stupid thing to say, as while your points remains that WE don't know for sure, neither do you.

I used to be an atheist, until I realized that science defeats itself by principle.

Any scientist worth his salt will tell you that for an action to occur, something must trigger it, be it an exertion of energy, a chemical reaction, or something else.

But if there was utter nothingness before the universe was created, then there would have been nothing to trigger it's creation. Therefore, the big bang theory is an impossibility.

However, at the same time I doubt the likelihood of a God, because it simply seems... Very unlikely... But at the same time, I admit that human knowledge is extremely limited, so I won't utterly reject the possibility of one based on scientific reasoning alone.

I don't know what the word for me is. Agnostic maybe? I'd like to believe that everything can be proved or disproved scientifically, but I'm not so sure that's the case.

But as Havoc stated, I definitely shan't be believing any holy books unless they've got some hard evidence on every page. In all likelihood, I doubt humans will ever unravel the great mystery of the universe's origin.

But it sure is fun to guess at.

Trigger wrote:

But if there was utter nothingness before the universe was created, then there would have been nothing to trigger it's creation. Therefore, the big bang theory is an impossibility.

Good old nothing colliding with nothing. It can happen. Tom Cruise says it can.