Is There Good In Humanity

Despite Tom Cruise's uber sexiness in Top Gun, I refuse to acknowledge his continued existence.

I'm not sure of your point of contradiction Jarki.. I said before I can't be sure if I'm right or wrong about the prophets and men of God who wrote the Bible were wrong or not. However I would rather abide by my gut instinct than the words of dead man. If it were so I could ask the men who wrote the Bible how they new it was so and get a generally better acceptance of it then maybe.. just maybe I would believe it then.

There is a word for believing the Bible to true and that by fallowing it you go to Heaven.. its called faith. I lack the faith to believe that all these men were 100% sure that what they were writing was all what God wanted and not partly what they thought to be so..


On another point Tom Cruise doesn't believe in the big bang theory.. he believes in Scientology which technically isn't a religion as it doesn't prove how everything came to be, but only how humans came to be.

If Tom Cruise feels this to be the truth and seeks it out then I have no problem with him. I would rather a person find an answer and cling to it and learn from it than to just throw it all down and sit in the corner until it's time to die.

In the way I see things the purpose of life was to be created, after creation there is no purpose. So while I wait until my end I will search and read and contemplate how things may have come to be. I may die a lost cause but at least I tried.. and thats more than any atheist can say.

Havoc wrote:

I may die a lost cause but at least I tried.. and thats more than any atheist can say.

I agreed with you, up to that part. A lot of atheists have made it their entire life's business trying to figure out how the universe was created. I've lost count of how many films I've seen of atheist scientists debating with preachers over how things came to be.

*Expelled comes to mind, where Ben Stein utterly Pwnd that Scientology guy*

*Laughs at the Scientology noob*

Ben Stein is awesome...

There really wasn't a main focus on my post, Havoc. At first I was simply stating my dislike for Athiests that I just so happened to remember, and the other was basically in general to the whole topic.

And Trigger, SOME athiests have tried so hard to figure out how the universe was created. That's basically just the scientists. Which doesn't make up for all, most, or even really a minority of all athiests. More like a small fraction. The rest of them sit on their fat ass and make fun of people who have religious beliefs. I mean, at least those who believe in Christianity or Judaism, etc, have tried to be a good person due to their beliefs, so that they can continue onto their equivalent of heaven, be reincarnated as something glorious, or whatever. MOST athiests just try and disprove everyone else, or do not put in the same effort as the Christians, Jewish, Muslim, to be a good person. Not saying all Religious people are good people, but at least they seem to try, as opposed to the athiests trying to ruin everyone else.

A lot of atheists have tried, even if they are a minority. But then again, I guess it's all in what you perceive "a lot" as.

One might even go on to say that atheists try even harder. It's one thing to follow blindly a religion your entire life just because mommy took you to church (Which accounts for 99/100 Christians I meet), but an entirely different thing altogether to step back and evaluate the situation, and then go against all of the social norms that had been placed on you since infancy to help keep you from evaluating the situation to begin with.

And from my experience, the Christians are generally the lazy fat asses that go around telling people with other religions why they're stupid, but maybe that's just the south.

I feel odd defending a group that I'm no longer affiliated with, but it's unfair how you single out the Atheists as being the bad, or lazy, condescending ones. Not sure if that's your true feelings, but that's the way it sounded in your post. I've seen my share of evil from both sides. Maybe it's because I know more religious folks than atheists, but it's the religious ones that are generally the worse people, from my personal experience.

On the other hand, I know atheists that are good, honest people. Or at least, they're what I imagine "good" to be.

Good old southern baptists and their overly exotic Christianity beliefs.

Nothing brings people to God more than a good old fashioned book burning, eh folks? Now let's go get drunk and take God's name in vain an overly large amount of times.

Hey, that's Catholic's too! They're the same thing!

Ah, no were not, way many diffrent thing. And I ask again, for the love of all that is (Insert whatever the hell you belive here) plz plz plz stop the religon talk, it just gets way to wild.

I adknowlige and respect all your opions, but for the sake of us not trying to burn each other, plz stop.

I actually think we're having a sane, controlled, respectable talk of religions, and a sane, controlled, respectable fun making of Tom Cruise and Scientolgy. There's no more insults flying around or anything.

Oh I see that Syn, but thats how it starts, next there will be a little tiff, then a fight and next thing you know bam, we are all flipping through the air tapping into the matrix and trying to ice each other and then i will try to nuke us all.

no there wont be my children do not stray down the path of... why the hell am i talking like that?

Mormons are obviously the ones that have it right, look at how happy they are.
And they don't act all smug about how great their religion is. They also don't really talk down on other religions.

I agree with Syn, Z. I believe we're all mature enough to have a conversation without going at each other like moody cats.

yes... although that maturity takes a vacation on almost all of our debates

The main Religious debate is going on between me, Trigger, and Havoc, with some two cents thrown in from the sidelines from random people. Me and Trigger are surely cool enough to not get mad at each other, and Havoc just doesn't care enough. The dabate will go on, as will the fun making of Tom Cruise.

And Isaac Hayes. Freakin sellout...

CHRISTANITY!!!! WOOT!!! * runs away*

Up here, everyone's pretty respectable about religions. Even when I told some people who came to my door to promote Christianity that I was Jewish, they didn't even look disappointed. They simply said, "Well, sorry to bother you." and went on their way. Up here, most people are "technically" Christian, but really don't believe in or follow a specific faith, or really give any thought to it at all. But those that do, follow the stereotypes I listed.

Heh, I wish it was more like that down here. Everyone's a die-hard christian fanatic, while at the same time, they break every commandment on a daily basis without giving it a second thought.

The hypocrisy down here is so thick you can taste it.




... It tastes like motor oil and oranges.

Wait, every commandment, on a daily basis, you got some murders and cheats.

Cheats yes, murders no. Although there was a shooting in town today. =P

I guess I should have defined what I meant by atheist..

By atheist I meant the group of people who don't try to seek out anything but only lazily sit around perspiring while making jokes about other religions and how their glad they don't have one. Not all atheists are like that.. very few are.. but its one things I cannot stand..

Havoc's Pet Peeve:
I hate for people to make fun of other religions in an extreme way. It is fine to crack a joke every once and awhile.. that is funny. Things like burning a bible, or writing things in it to be funny, or possibly flipping a cross upside down in a church are things that shouldn't be done even if you don't believe in that faith.

Like I've said plenty before I do not believe the bible to be 100% true therefore do not use it as a guideline. I do however feel that one should respect all religious beliefs no matter how far fetched they may be..


In reply to Z's post about daily murder:

Also it says in the bible that the hate a person is murdering them in your heart therefore everyone has technically murdered.. It also says God judges all sins equally therefore the mass murderer and the people who just hate people would be equally as bad.

Also on another note about murder, in the bible it is not okay to kill somebody as self defense. The bible speaks about how a person should fight their battles on their knees than to stand up against something. Least thats how I've been told. If we get into conflict about it we can always look it up on the interwebz..

Havoc wrote:

or writing things in it to be funny, or possibly flipping a cross upside down in a church

Lol, you know it was funny. And you were just being a killjoy when you flipped them right-side up again. XD

I didn't actually find it funny..

The last couple of things about though shall not kill are up to interpretation, I don't think self defense gets you hell, it better not or I would happily go there.

And also by all sins are treated equal I think it means social class, or race. A rich white guy killing another man is as bad a poor Asian guy.

Ah, you thought it was funny when I drew violently hilarious comics in the church, but you got mad when I scribbled a few lines in a book you disregard as unproven.

Personally, I only give my respect to things/people/organizations that deserve it, and the Christian faith as a whole has given me more grief than joy.

Granted it still wasn't nice, but I find it hard to feel regret over it.